Hey Kurt,

If fatbomb did not convert them to static pages, does it still serve the purpose of attracting traffic? If i create 1000 pages on the fly using modrewrite, does SE view my site as 1 page or 1000 pages?

Christopher

That's my question, too!

Since FB creates everything on the fly do the SE's crawl the links and index them?

Also, the script is called fatbomb.cgi is this a fingerprint? If we change it to something else, will the script blowup?

Thanks and blessings,

Ed

If using modrewrite or SSi (PageBomb), the engines will see and treat the pages as static html pages.

Unless you are linking directly to Fatty results, and use SSI or modrewrite, the engines will never see "fatbomb".

To check the above, view the source code...What you see in the source is the same as the engines see.

Benefits of each:

Dynamic (modrewrite/SSI)
-If you update fatty resources, all pages updated instantly.
-No need to download/upload pages
-Mods made in Fatty skins affect all pages instantly.
-Create pages just by linking

Convert to static using HTTRACK
- use less server resources/load faster
- can edit each page indivually
- can be moved to other directories or other domains to make use of cheap/free hosting
- Don't need Fatty installed (once page is created)

In general, have one dynamic fatty per major niche, then create static pages for each sub-niche/other domains.

>1)Suppose I create a niche directory using static pages
>created by fatty result and want to provide a 'Search'
>option for the directory . What's the best option (need any
>other script)any to do this?

To search your own pages or search the web?

>2)I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Fatty
>has capability of finding what 'keywords' people are
>searching in a site. Knowing this we can build those keyword
>specific pages. Is it possible to do this with Fatty? If
>yes, what should I do ?

In the Fatty admin configuration page, make sure that you check the box to have Fatty record search keywords.

Check the file /data/keywords.text using FTP once in a while to view the keywords.

Paste into textpad and sort them alphabetically so you can see which ones are been entered multiple times, remove doops, and use like you would any keyword list.

To search my own pages in the directory, created through Fatty. Is there any script that do this?

>In the Fatty admin configuration page, make sure that you
>check the box to have Fatty record search keywords.
>
>Check the file /data/keywords.text using FTP once in a while
>to view the keywords.
>
>Paste into textpad and sort them alphabetically so you can
>see which ones are been entered multiple times, remove
>doops, and use like you would any keyword list.

Thanks a lot Kurt

Mou

Curious why when I do a search from the Fatbomb search box on my index page the first result page links goes to each subsequent results page as it should.

However, using the include below for defined searches the first result page links go back to the site index page not each subsequent results page.

I would think if the htaccess redirect wasn't working any search would go back to the index page, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something simple.

Here's the include (php) I'm putting on a blank page. Wondering if I'm not including a parameter and that's causing the issue.

<? virtual("/cgi-bin/fatbomb/fatbomb.cgi/?skin=skin6dt&keywords=dog training");?>

Thanks

Ernie

This is the same problem that others have brought up earlier in the thread. I honestly don't have a answer...Sorry.

I have a bunch of keyword phrases. Let's say, for this discussion:

baseball trading cards
ken griffith jr trading card
red sox cards for trading

I have created static fatty pages on my web site for them.

Now...

For my blogger, WP, etc, sites... What do I do with those keyword phrases?

1. Do I paste the same static pages into those sites and have a keyword url back?
2. Do I create other static pages with the keyword url back?
3. ???

There are probably many answers.

A little guidance is appreciated.

Merry Christmas,

Ed

HI Ed,

Use the same keywords on your tin sites as you do all your pages, then like to other pages with similar keywords. Point your tin sites to some Fatty pages.

You use Fatty pages in many ways, just like you would with all assets. I'm not going to list every possible use, as that's like asking how to I use web pages, but try mixing Fatty results with articles, or with ZZ Tuel to create static html pages that still update automatically.

HI Gil,

Remove the tag that places the URL in the skin. Refer to the #3 Fatty skins thread.

It seems that when i create a new page on the fly with a new keyword, it can rank in top 10 within 24 hours.

but it lost the ranking very soon.. why is that so? by the way my fatbomb site is still young, 2 month old, but it just got a PR 3.

Should I just get more quality links to my site i suppose..

Chris

Hi Chris,

Yep, it's all about linking, including some bookmarking.

Make new folder
Make new skin with relative links
Modify htaccess to call that skin
Upload htaccess to that folder
Upload new skin to the Fatty skins folder

This may take an hour to learn, then 10 minutes to repeat and you can pump out pages and pages and pages.

Now, let's say you have 1000 "pages". If you put 10 external links to your other sites on each page, you have 10,000 linking opportunities.

Master these concepts and you'll be able to compete with the real SEOers and blackhatters.

***

Once you have worked out your own way of making folders uploading etc it really does just take about 10 mins to finish a new topic folder with a page full of new pages links and your own sites links.

Linez is an amazing Tuel which saves so much time and is so simple to use.

Would recommend mastering this area of Fatbomb as making pages is so easy and fast.

After I have made a new topic folder I make a new google site map and submit it to google, who then visit my site really fast.

I use this site map maker http://gsitecrawler.com. Its free and easy to use.

I find google really likes the pages Fatbomb makes and I appear to be getting visitors pretty quickly.

Bill

Thanks Bill, I appreciate your comments.

Linez is a great, underrated tuel that when mastered can perform "magic" when manipulating text...

And, for those that take the time to really learn Fatty, they'll have a very potent way of creating tons and tons of pages.

While there is a learning curve, this is due to the power of Fatty and once it is leanered it makes making pages a snap.

And Google does like these pages. Everyone is hung up on "authority" pages, ignoring the fact that Google also loves "hub" pages, which is Fatty's specialty.

Local portals are the rage right now and Fatty is excellent for building local portals.

Add in the ability to have your own databases and you have another way to monetize your FatBomb...Just offer "premium listings", put them into your custom database and jack up the "weight" so that the premium listings are at the top of your SERPs.

Note: If you missed out on Fatty, we'll be getting back to it in the future.

From time to time various resources will change. And with so many resources, it's likely that not all of them will work at any given time.

Because of this, I can't promise that any given resource will work now or in the future. This is why so many resources are included, so that you'll have a good selection at any given time.

If you find a resource that isn't working, post it here and when a few are down, I'll see which ones can be fixed and issue updates...

Who volunteers to check the SE resources and post the non-woring ones here?

PS. I really suggest converting Fatty pages to static whenever possible, so that any broken resources won't impact your static pages...

Just noticed this morning that FatBomb is not picking up google listings !!

Even when I set the weight for google to 100 and all the rest to 0 then all I get are empty pages !!

This can only have happened over the last few days as it was fine at the start of the week.

Is it just me or is it something google has maybe done ?

Hi Bill,

Please read my post right above your's...Engines change all the time.

I must pay more attention !

Hey Bill,

That's OK...I just didn't feel like typing it over again.

regards
Karsten

Sounds like you messed someting up in your templates...

I guess its under setup options and then "limits"

Question:

I can get the first page of a fatty install "sucked down" but not the second, third, fourth page etc (for the same keyword)

I slowed down the speed as much as possible and even used a fatty which isnt mine (sorry if you encounter more traffic it was me)

Run httrack again, each time modifying the URL with the page start parameter.

Something like:
&keywords=vegas&start=21

I'm not sure if "&start=21" is the right syntax, I'll let you look it up...It's somewhere in here. Test it in the browser first, you don't have to download pages to test.

This will return pages starting with the 21st results.

http://www.dombom.com/dcforum/DCForumID24/49.html

Hi I am not sure if steve (sedriskill) had the same idea:
but wouldnt it be possible to create an additional command in the .htaccess file to rewrite the other pages too!???

(I would like to see/test if there is a difference between static/dynamic and sucked pages in terms of speed and overall ability to get indexed)

It's possible, but I'm not sure what the correct command is.

Once you figure it out, be sure to post it so the rest of us can use it.

Karsten

All my fatbomb sites are down this morning, were fine about 2 hours ago !!

All give errors like these

The directory 'data/cache/altavista-13994' does not exist at lib/Gamma/Cache.pm line 57.

The directory 'data/cache/dmoz-13994' does not exist at lib/Gamma/Cache.pm line 57, <PATH> line 16

The directory 'data/cache/looksmart-13994' does not exist at lib/Gamma/Cache.pm line 57.

The directory 'data/cache/teoma-13994' does not exist at lib/Gamma/Cache.pm line 57.

Bill

Ignore above post please

Had exceeded file space with my host

My Apoloigies

Bill

If I use the search everything works (it creates pages and I get more results by clicking on the results page)

BUT: If I use one of the links I put on the index and generate a site and click on the resulting page at the bottom on the result page e.g. 1 2 3 4 instead of showing more results it shows me the index page again.
To make it worse if I use one of the links with a dash e.g. arcade-games.html it shows even a different skin!

I tried it with the latest fatty still the same - tried it with different browsers still the same problem!

Karsten...

Ease up on the !!!!! It makes it seem like you are yelling.

Next, you are getting two different skins because of the skin you choose in your modrewrite. There are a number of variables that can be added to the URL you use in modrewrite.

Let me say this...This thread is about making pages. Instead of finding ways to be "perfect", I strongly suggest each person finds ways to be productive.

Kurt, you do have a strong point here...

I found at least the solution for one problem
was already posted and burried deep down within the board
if you are using skin1:

<a href="./?skin

- should be:

<a href="/cgi-bin/fatbomb.cgi/?skin

1. get links pointing to them

2. make a sitemap (does anybody use keymapz for this??)

3. Blackhole RSS feed (no experience yet) if so one feed for every subdirectory??

4. linking from the indexpage (kelvins preferred style pretty ugly though (sorry kelvin but seems to work )

5?.

I am always for function over looks.

What works, all of the above.

Kelvin

>4. linking from the indexpage (kelvins preferred style
>pretty ugly though (sorry kelvin but seems to work )
>
>5?.

3A. Ping the Blackhole

5. Use the Keymapz Tuel.

6. All of the above.

I get an error: "Method Not Allowed
The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL ..."

strange enough its working for some pages though - I tripple checked everything because I thought it might be related to a wrong .htaccess but I couldnt find the problem

I managed to make it work though when using the absolut path in the form action e.g.
<form action="http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi/?skin=skin2&keywords=$1"; method="POST">

this problem only appears when using different/themes/folders/directories with different skins!

Bombers any ideas???
regards
Karsten

Hi Karsten,

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this...

One thing to consider when making static pages, you may not want to use a search box at all on these pages.

1) Technically, Google doesn't allow Adsense on SERPs.

2) You want to make pages using "long tail" keywords, then push visitors to your highest paying keywords. You do this by linking to pages that focus on the higher paying keywords (usually the shorter, fewer words, the more they pay) and not giving folks a choice to pick their own keywords.

Since we're both at a loss for the cause of the problem, do you have a specific need/reason that the search boxes need to be included?

Can you set up a custom Google search (branded with your Adsense) to do the same thing?

I thought the search box is suppose to work on that static pages as well that is the reason I asked but you can make it work when using the little work around I mentioned.

Why would I want to use the search box after all:

talking about VEO (visitor enhanced optimization LOL) the pages are looking less spammy that way and therfore you might get not reported if a competitor stumbles over your pages.

Has anyone figured out the proper coding to call fatbomb using php OR is this a dead horse??

This is my code and it just won't work!

---------BEGIN----------
<?php include($_SERVER<'DOCUMENT_ROOT'>."/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/?skin=blank&length=5&keywords=stuff"); ?>
----------END----------

I know that the path is right because I can execute the path directly.

I have also hard coded the "DOCUMENT_ROOT" and it also doesn't work.

I have tried to change .htaccess with no success.

This is kicking my butt!

The big thing is that I have php that is doing a bunch of stuff on my site but none of it will work when I have to alter the htaccess so that fatbomb will run!

Thanks,

Ed

I am just have a static html page that makes the php call to get fatbomb results.

If I us a virtual call then I have to modify my htaccess and my "other" php (stores, cb) won't run!

just more info,

Ed

You shouldn't have to alter .htaccess to use PHP virtual:

<?php virtual($_SERVER<'DOCUMENT_ROOT'>."/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/?skin=blank&length=5&keywords=stuff"); ?>

(replace <> with open & close square brackets )

That may not be the problem, but it's where I'd start.

Jeff

 
><?php 
>virtual($_SERVER<'DOCUMENT_ROOT'>."/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/?skin=blank&length=5&keywords=stuff"); 
>?> 
>

Hi Jeff,

Hmmmm... They DO have the square brackets. However, I think this forum doesn't like square brackets!

In any case, 'DOCUMENT_ROOT' has square brackets around it.

Here is the error I get....

----------BEGIN--------------
Warning: include(/home/user/public_html/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/?keywords=car) : failed to open stream: Not a directory in /home/user/public_html/index.php on line 161

Warning: include() : Failed opening '/home/user/public_html/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/?keywords=car' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/user/public_html/index.php on line 161
---------------END----------------

Thanks,

Ed

When I use fatbomb to create pages on the fly. ie I just put somthing at the end of the domain. http://domain.com/someithing-here.html

Everything works. Specifically Javascript.

However, when I use fatbomb to be inserted into static pages, all the javascript on the page stops working!

Any ideas?

From my posts above, when my php store, javascript, etc. is working, FB insert is not working.

When FB insert works, php store, javascript, etc is not working.

I make it work or not work based on my htaccess.

Thanks,

Ed

I'd change that to the http URL location of Fatbomb, with the input parameters, so that the Fatbomb CGI will be processed before PHP reads it. I'd also change it to use PHP virtual() instead of include(). That may not even work, and you may have to use file() or file_get_contents() on your particular server, depending on how PHP is configured.

The javascript stuff probably has to do with incorrect or unspecified relative and absolute file locations either in the Fatbomb skins, your HTML, or PHP.

I have put up a couple of dynamic page-making scripts (from pete d) that use ModRewrite. I have around 1800 keywords for each site that I have made hyperlinks for using your Keyword Converter and find/replace.

What would you suggest as a reasonable way to build backlinks for this many keywords? I'm guessing that putting up blogs/free hosts with pages containing 1800 links would not be a good idea

What would be the max number of links that you would put up on a tin site?

Also, is it a bad idea to make a sitemap on my domain pointing to 1800 pages?

Thanks...Calvin

Hi Calvin,

Dealing with this many pages gets more complex.

You want to do two things:
1. Try to get all the pages indexed

2. Have a linking structure that points link juice to the best pages.

Pick your best 30-50 keywords/pages. Get backlinks for these pages. Have about 25% of your backlinks point to your homepage. 70% to the 30-50 "best" pages, and 5% to the other 1700 pages.

I don't know your page structure, so I can't go into too much detail...But from this point on is why I like hybrid pages that are part static and part dynamic.

I would add the content dynamically, but use PageBomb to create the rest of the page as static HTML.

Without knowing how the pages are created, I can't give specifics.

To be honest, I keep trying to write directions, but keep coming back to hybrid pages. I really suggest taking a detour at this time and redo the pages using Pagebomb.

The key will be to take out all the extra html (headeer/footer html) from your dynamic template. Then, paste the template into PageBomb, adding an SSI tag where you want the content to go.

Once you do this, we can add links where ever we want to.

Thanks for the tips. It's starting to all come together.

I just got your "PageBomb - Making Pages Using FatBomb Part II" method working on a different site (not the one with pete's script yet). Had a bit of a struggle getting the SSI working, but now it's all good. I'm very excited about the possibilities. Now I have to get the chunks ready for Pagebomb (using your ideas from the "Updated Ideas of Gold/Silver Money Sites" thread...fantastic stuff), and then use some of your internal linking methods. Then backlinking.

I also came up with an idea for the first site I was talking about (the one with pete's script). It's basically a tin feeder site that I'll use for creating links to a money site. It creates dynamically generated keyword pages and a corresponding feed for each dynamically generated keyword page. I think I can use your method from the "How to Make Tons of Links FAST and Links = Pages!" thread to make the 1800 feed links. Then I'll mash together groups of links (eg. 100 feeds mashed together x 18). I was originally going to use X-fruits, but I might as well get Blogbomb going and use that:) Then submit the mashed feeds to the aggregators. Hopefully, I can get alot of the pages indexed and pointing a ton of links to the money site.

Anyways, I am extremely happy that I joined your forum. I have learned a ton of stuff that I've never heard of before. The depth and quality of the information you have provided is amazing.

Thanks so much for having me!

Calvin

Now take about 100 keywords of the 1800 and make PageBomb pages. These will have some static elements. Use these pages to create what we used to call "hallway" pages. Hallway pages are like site maps, their main purpose is to link to other pages.

Each of these pages should link to 25 of your 1800 pages, as well as 20-40 other hallway pages.

With all these pages your goal isn't really to try to get them all to rank, but rather to help your "best" 25-50 pages to rank well. To do this, make sure you link to your "best" 25 or so pages in your templates so these pages get site-wide links.

Hi Kurt

Thanks for the strategy. This particular site is using Pete's feeder script, so I'm not sure how to make pages with static elements on it just yet (there's now 20,000 pages that I just made a sitemap for). I'll come back to this. In the meantime, I've been getting Fatbomb, Blogbomb, Pagebomb and SSI working and split up some PLR into chunks. I have a Blogbomb question in the "Adding RSS/BlogBomb to Your Pages SSI and htaccess" thread.

Thanks again...Calvin