Kurt
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"Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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Please post any good revenue streams on this thread...Revenue streams need to be used with caution in SEO. It's really easy for Google (and others) to track who the owner of a site is. Google also has a term "thin affiliate site" which refers to pages they feel were created merely to geneate affiliate income. Toss in an extremely important SEO concept known as "hilltop", which we will refer to as "Trust Rank". They are NOT the same thing, but close enough for this discussion. Basically, the less two sites are associated with each the more link juice they will give. Sites are associated through the use of the same IP, same domain name info, etc. Links from associated sites mean very little. Affiliate programs that use tracking IDs are giving Google a lot of info, not to mention if you use AdSense. Putting AdSense on any page or site tells Google EXACTLY who owns the page, YOU. They know your name, address, bank account, etc. It gets worse...Let us say that you put Amazon and Adense on Site A. You only put Amazon on Site B. Google knows YOU own Site B. Use affiate programs with caution!!! A huge noob mistake is to think you need to add that revenue stream immediately to every page they make. Many SEOers disagree with me and feel each site has to pay its own way. I strongly disagree. I believe you WAIT until a page is getting good, solid traffic before you place an affiliate ID on the site. Once a site is getting decent traffic, then and only then consider adding a revenue stream. If you have 100 sites you should probably have an affiliate program on less than 10 of them. Be sure to use a variety of affiliate programs on sites that are getting traffic, using only one program per site/blog. In poker you don't show your unless until you have to, and in SEO don't show your hand until you're getting traffic.
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tasari
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Jan-02-08, 12:27 PM (PST) |
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2. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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>It gets worse...Let us say that you put Amazon and Adense on
>Site A. You only put Amazon on Site B. Google knows YOU own
>Site B. Woow I completely saw each affiliate program separately. I didn't think about Amazon ID for example (I suppose also other big ones like CJ, shareasale, etc). What I mean I didn't think about what is very logical in your sentence ! About SearchFeed and RevenuePilot, they are still the earners from the PPC area, but indeed less earnings (this doesn't mean lowers bids !) Before I also had a PPC were I paid only $0.01 per click, but the visitor gave me more earnings with SF / RP. But they don't allow advertising any more. A note for those using GenieKnows, be aware that if one of your sites got hit by google (even temporary) suddenly they remove the site from your list of sites (which you need to specify), which means earnings lost ! This is scandalous... Don't use SearchTimes neither as earner. Previously they were Gozinta and never paid if you were earning a lot via referrals for example... Tasari |
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isnedd
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Jan-03-08, 01:03 PM (PST) |
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5. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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Hi All
The E-Bay affiliate programme is very lucrative.$25 new registration fee, plus any one winning an auction through your aff. link, they pay up to 60%(?) of their 'cut' of the auction fees. My exact knowledge of their commission structure is a little bit hazy, but they sure beat 'clicks' from Adsense. Requirements are: a CJ Account and then sign-up to Ebay affiliate program from CJ. Benefits: Customisabale RSS feeds for almost any keyword you can come up with. Mmmm. Now how could we use that feature, I wonder? An endless supply of updating content, through ZZ Tuel perhaps? That's your 'Starter for Ten'. Let's see what you inventive folks can devise, from here. Downside Don't add to any site you currently generate good Adsense revenue from, your revenue will disappear, overnight.
(Personal experience)
Google and Ebay are 'mortal enemies'. Display Ebay on good ranking sites and you can expect yourself to be in the Supplementals within 24-48hrs. (Again, Personal Experience, from more than 1 site). My suggestion for using Ebay. Where you are not yet ranked in the SERPs, but are using other means to promote your sites, be it SB or SN, or blogs or video, it will provide additional content and colour, as well as a means of monetisation, that is well ahead of Adsense, in terms of EPM. This may just be a way to monetise new sites, without 'showing our hand' too early in the game. Multiple CJ accounts are not too difficult to achieve. You do need to have 'your ducks lined-up', before trying this, but it is do-able. Good 'duck-shooting' and let's see some more 'inventive uses' of the Ebay RSS feeds. Kind regards Ian |
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virtuwul
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Jan-03-08, 04:25 PM (PST) |
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7. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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YES -- generating and reselling leads is and always will be SUPER HOT! Businesses always need new leads - so if you can generate them
you can rule. There are 2 basic strategies you can take to find leads: 1. Use CPA networks - azoogle.com, etc... Plus side: It's fast and easy and there are lots of options. Down side: Very little "relationship building" factor...
And the profit you can make will be potentially smaller. 2. Make exclusive deals with businesses. Plus side: Can potentially be A LOT more profitable. Downside: You've got to do the work of finding and
making the deal. Example: Let's say that Kurt has a Las Vegas site...
Sure - maybe he can get a small % of a "hotel commission". However, how much could he get from Wynn or Bellagio
for a HYPER-QUALIFIED, RICH GAMBLER who's interested
in going to Las Vegas? I'm not sure -- but I think IT'S A LOT.
Especially if you could give them all of this personal information
(address, etc...) Let's say that are willing to pay: $50 per lead.
What if you sold it to both of them for: $40 each... How can you generate the lead? Make them fill out a form and give them a "Insider's Gambling
Report" for example. Of course, you can also resell the lead to other LV businesses... This strategy fits perfectly with the "Diamond and Gold" sites..
In other words, it's easier to make this strategy happen if you
dominate ONE NICHE. You won't have to negotiate with 100
businesses in different markets. So all of that to say that YES: leads are hot...
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isnedd
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Jan-04-08, 11:32 AM (PST) |
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8. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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Hi Karsten No, I don't use Ebay shops/stores, I use a combination of a:se, which is a script that uses Ebay's API, or I use a variety of templates which integrate RSS feeds into a .php framework, but which always results in HTML output.
A lot of the Ebay solutions use JS, which the bots can't read, and are therefore not 'SEO friendly'. If you have HTML output, which changes each time the feed updates, you have constantly updating content. The 900lb Gorilla is, on the one hand, demanding fresh content but when you supply it, from it's 'mortal enemy', you wind up in the Supps. Sooner or later, that particular 'circle' will get 'squared', so build pages accordingly. The reason I brought up the RSS feeds, is, of course, using the Newz Tuel and ZZ, we can display RSS feeds, as static, but updating, HTML, without the need for the all-singing, all-dancing web-hosting, that my solutions require. Therefore ideal as an initial monetisation model, for those who are on a shoestring budget and who don't wish to 'tip their hand' to the 900lb Gorilla, by using Adsense, as their initial monetisation model. I was asking, in my previous post, for more inventive ways of using these RSS feeds. I'm sure they exist, within the 'arsenal' available to us, we just need to coax the 'grey matter' into revealing the various ways we can make use of this particular set of RSS feeds. HTH Kind regards Ian
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Kurt
Member since Dec-5-02
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Jan-05-08, 00:20 AM (PST) |
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10. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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As I posted above, you can sell other folks' $7 reports... ...But let's not forget you can also create and sell your own reports and products. As obvious as it seems it should be mentioned.
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gilc
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Jan-05-08, 09:03 AM (PST) |
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11. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams" as borrowed from the Warriors and posted by Kurt. From the list posted these are the programs I am using: www.cpaempire.com -- just started no results yet.
www.cj.com -- I have been using this for a long time have never ever made a profit.
www.linkshare.com ditto above
www.shareasale.com -- I use this for the datafeeds and rather than using BIB, I use it with fatty and for me it works great. This is the only affiliate program so far making some money.
www.azoogleads.com-- just started no results yet. Hope this helps. Maybe others could post which are profitable for them as well. Gil Sports moderators wanted. Join the sports-blog and share in the revenue generated.
http://sports-blog.com/community/ |
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gilc
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Jan-05-08, 03:55 PM (PST) |
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13. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-08 AT 04:11 PM (PST)
There is a free, very easy to use database converter script that we use.
You can download it from here http://www.smartCGIs.com.Just remember that the format for fatty is:
URL|TITLE|DESCRIPTION PS any more questions about this please post in the fatbomb thread. This is for monetization posts only. Gil
Sports moderators wanted. Join the sports-blog and share in the revenue generated.
http://sports-blog.com/community/
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gilc
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Jan-22-08, 11:42 PM (PST) |
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19. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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Brand New PPP get in early. Audio Pay Per Play. Your visitors do not have to click, read or buy. As soon as they land on your page a 5 second audio ad is played. You get paid. You get paid on three levels. Check it out, this is my affiliate link please join through it. Its free and we'll both make money. Thanks
http://www.sellingppp.com/a.cgi?ppp=121072969
http://www.sellingppp.com/a.cgi?ppp=1210729695";>Get a Guaranteed 100% Conversion Rate On Your Website, blog and forum Traffic |
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tasari
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Feb-15-08, 10:35 AM (PST) |
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25. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-08 AT 10:35 AM (PST)
>Anyone heard of this new service about to launched? It is
>supposed to be the next level of Web2.0. Free to join and
>has payouts to.
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>http://gilbertocintron.com/tokcee.html Could you please be more specific before posting an affiliate url ?
Like what is it about ? How does it pay ? Customizing possible ? etc..
I think we could maybe make a list of good PAYING programs like Adsense, Searchfeed etc.
This could help us get a list of :
1) very good paying ones
2) good paying ones
3) paying ones
See it like this 
1) Gold/diamond sites
2) Silver sites
3) Tin sites Tasari |
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gilc
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Mar-01-08, 07:57 PM (PST) |
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27. "RE: Monetize - Revenue Streams"
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I know some people did not like the concept of audio ads. But everything you may have heard about it is all wrong. The ads run only five seconds each. While the page is loading the ad is playing. By the time the page fully opens the ad is over. Totally unobtrusive. Pays better than Adsense and is more targeted to. In fact you can have both ads on your pages, adsense and audio ads. Secret: The political campaign's are buying up audio ad space like crazy. The affiliate program has just reopened. You'd be foolish to not at least try to capitalize on this while the political season is on.
you can always drop out later. check it out here: http://audio-net-ads.com Yes it is my affiliate link. It is a multi-tiered program. Gil |
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jeffhope
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Apr-12-08, 11:33 PM (PST) |
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29. "Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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I canceled my Adsense, Searchfeed, and Revenuepilot accounts last year. The simple reason is that I had found, over the previous year, that I could make more money promoting affiliate products than from PPC. The side benefit is that I didn't have to worry about Adsense fingerprints or TOS violations. Mainly I switched over to some contextual linking and some Adsense lookalikes, and the occasional banner. My plans for monetization continue to be affiliate products, and eventually my own products in certain markets. The method to determine which markets will be very similar to something I saw mentioned by Kurt and Top Hat elsewhere in this forum. It's a method that I know a certain well-respected Warrior uses as well. This Warrior builds content sites, & throws either Adsense or affiliate ads on them, but isn't all that concerned about monetization early on. For the sites that do well in attracting traffic, filling gaps in the SERPs, etc., this Warrior then creates products to sell to that market, and removes all Adsense & affiliate ads in favor of promoting that product. The process is very simple, and it works very well. I think having your own product is really worthwhile, but yes, it does bring customer support hassles with it as well, so it's a tradeoff you'll have to decide on. I actually had a couple of ebooks selling fairly well for a while, under a pseudonym. (They did well because of lucky timing, and certainly not good marketing on my part!) So I know the amount of support required for that type of product. I think we all need to place a renewed emphasis on building sites to promote affiliate products though, and here's why. (By affiliate products, I mean non-IM - market to the masses). The cost of gasoline is rising rapidly in the US, and it will likely continue to do so. More people shop online every year anyway, but I think the new reality of gas prices will accelerate that a lot. I know gas prices elsewhere have been higher for years, but many large population centers in the US don't have mass transit capabilities in the same way they do in much of Asia and Europe, so the impact will probably be greater. As driving costs go up, people will drive less, and all but the most essential trips will be cut back or eliminated the higher fuel prices go. Fewer Sunday afternoon lunches at the food court in the mall, less running around town looking for a particular brand of an item, etc. This means that it's very likely that people will turn to online shopping for not only more of their gift items, but for many of their essential & "affordable luxury" items as well. And that's of course great news for us as affiliate marketers! Sure, there will always be a market for Rolexes and other luxury items, so keep building those sites. But also think about building affiliate sites promoting not only gift items, but also products such as high quality makeup, specialty diet & snack foods, auto parts, things people use and want every day. Merchant datafeeds converted to RSS, Tuelz, and Bombs are perfect for this. Jeff Join the MadBomber VIP here...
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Kurt
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Apr-15-08, 02:29 AM (PST) |
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30. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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>I canceled my Adsense, Searchfeed, and Revenuepilot accounts
>last year. The simple reason is that I had found, over the
>previous year, that I could make more money promoting
>affiliate products than from PPC. The side benefit is that I
>didn't have to worry about Adsense fingerprints or TOS
>violations. Mainly I switched over to some contextual
>linking and some Adsense lookalikes, and the occasional
>banner. Hey Jeff and All... With the revenue sharing sites such as Squidoo and Hubpages, you don't need to use your own Adsense ID# to collect money from Adsense. Which means, no finger prints. This is the real power of using all the various free resources now available. While AdSense tends to get a bad rap, wait until you sign up for a pay per action affiliate program, put it on 1000's of pages and a few days later get an email that their advertising budget is up for the month and that you should remove all their ads.
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Kurt
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Apr-15-08, 06:28 AM (PST) |
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32. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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>"the month and that you should remove all their ads"
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>Kurt,
>your comment made me wonder what kind of advertising script
>you are using?
Karsten,
This was based on experiences from many years ago...Affiliate programs like CJ and a pay per action or two... This is why I love PPC. I've made way more from PPC than all other affiliate type programs combined. But I'm sure this differs from niche to niche. And, PPC is so much easier. Having said this, I've "burried the hatchet" and got a new Click Bank account and may give them another try.
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teleam
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Apr-17-08, 07:27 PM (PST) |
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33. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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>>I canceled my Adsense, Searchfeed, and Revenuepilot accounts
>>last year. The simple reason is that I had found, over the
>>previous year, that I could make more money promoting
>>affiliate products than from PPC. The side benefit is that I
>>didn't have to worry about Adsense fingerprints or TOS
>>violations. Mainly I switched over to some contextual
>>linking and some Adsense lookalikes, and the occasional
>>banner.
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>Hey Jeff and All...
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>With the revenue sharing sites such as Squidoo and Hubpages,
>you don't need to use your own Adsense ID# to collect money
>from Adsense.
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>Which means, no finger prints. This is the real power of
>using all the various free resources now available.
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>While AdSense tends to get a bad rap, wait until you sign up
>for a pay per action affiliate program, put it on 1000's of
>pages and a few days later get an email that their
>advertising budget is up for the month and that you should
>remove all their ads.
Hey Kurt could you elaborate more on how this works?
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WarnerCarter
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Jun-13-08, 08:03 PM (PST) |
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35. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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I've been using HydraMedia for a while and I think they have a good set of offers, some exclusive. They are easy to work with and reporting is easy to see what is going on. http://www.hydranetwork.com/ You can add an rss feed into hubpages, I run one of my blogs in there. They block most html links though. ebay is not in cj anymore, they handle it direct. I have a lot of aff banners on my blogs so have to think about that. some have pages just for CPA offers. they have PR nevertheless, get some good positions on some keywords but I really don't get a lot of traffic overall. Yet. Warner Carter
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Kurt
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Jun-14-08, 11:32 AM (PST) |
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36. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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I haven't tried this, or even signed up for it (it's free), but does look interesting. Does anyone have experience with the OFFER VAULT and can add some comments?
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OFFER VAULT
Your Ultimate Offer Source with more than 10,000 affiliate and CPA Offers, from 25 networks, at your fingertips.
Quickly Find Top Offers and Compare Payouts Between Networks
Save Hours of Time
Find the Highest Payouts Available
New Offers Updated Daily
Research Niches
Browse new Offers as They Come In
Receive Optional Email Alerts for New Offers Based on Your Criteria
Preview Landing Pages
Quickly Sign up For New Networks
http://www.offervault.com/
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tasari
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Jun-16-08, 08:37 AM (PST) |
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38. "RE: Some Thoughts on Monetization"
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>I haven't tried this, or even signed up for it (it's free),
>but does look interesting.
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>Does anyone have experience with the OFFER VAULT and can add
>some comments?
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>
> ------------------------------------
>OFFER VAULT
>
>Your Ultimate Offer Source with more than 10,000 affiliate
>and CPA Offers, from 25 networks, at your fingertips.
> Quickly Find Top Offers and Compare Payouts Between
>Networks
> Save Hours of Time
> Find the Highest Payouts Available
> New Offers Updated Daily
> Research Niches
> Browse new Offers as They Come In
> Receive Optional Email Alerts for New Offers Based on
>Your Criteria
> Preview Landing Pages
> Quickly Sign up For New Networks
>http://www.offervault.com/ How to know if they are for real ? That is the question I also think to me with those many other similar sites...
Here I have a doubt, when signing up you get a "special offer" ???
Then you need to confirm, but you need to re-enter name email address ?? It seems a collection of CJ Clickbank Affiliateer Clickbooth ... (see in menu on top). It seems to be just a collection of them.
No speed up for signing up... Conclusion : database of affiliate programs where you can search, but need to sign up separately...there are some alerts (dunno what I does).. my 1st view  Tasari |
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