I have a few basic 'noob' questions that I hope you can help me with.

If you were just starting out (again!) from scratch and wanted to set an inital target of say generating $50 a day of revenue using your tools what would you recommend doing?

Is fatty best incorporated into another website, or is it perfectly capable of standing on its own as a kind of 'metaweb' site? (Is this still a viable money making model?)

Thanks,

Mike

>If you were just starting out (again!) from scratch and
>wanted to set an inital target of say generating $50 a day
>of revenue using your tools what would you recommend doing?

This is a tough one, becuase <obviously> I'll recommend them all.

Honestly, this forum will progress in the order I think is best...Fatty this month, BlogBomb the next, webmaster Tuelz the following month.

Again, Fatty is the most powerful and the most difficult to master due to how many ways it can be used.

>Is fatty best incorporated into another website, or is it
>perfectly capable of standing on its own as a kind of
>'metaweb' site? (Is this still a viable money making model?)

Actually, this is a common noob concern. The main "problem" is, Fatty is designed so that there is NOT a "paint by numbers" way of using it. I outlined many of the ways it can be used in another thread.

If it was 1, 2, 3, then everyone would be doing the same thing...

So, if I had a site that was already getting a lot of traffic, I'd create a niche search engine to compliment the site.

If I didn't have any traffic, I'd work on making pages and getting them into the engines.

I've shown how to make pages...I'd concetrate on using HTTrack and Fatty, then use my existing host as well as exploit free hosting and work on getting as many pages on as many domains as possible.

IMO, SEO in its most basic form is simply putting as many words on as many pages, then linking to those pages.

Again, as I pointed out on another thread, put your spammy pages on the free hosts, less spammy pages on sub domains, and high quality pages on your main domains.

Link one way, NOT BOTH!!!
free hosts => sub domains => main domains

Cross link free domains and some sub domains.

It's very hard for me to be a "noob"...You guys and gals have all been Fatty noobs and are acutally more qualified to answer this than I am.

Thanks a lot...

Hey Mike,

Firstly, Fatty can be used in several ways, plus you can set it up where it will work with BlogBomb too.

Kelvin posted a thread about building directories with Fatty. Or you can do something like QS that is in my sig file. They are both directories so why not start with something like this?

Either type of directory will work if you do it right.

Plus directories can very easily turn into major hub sites for you too in the end.

Kelvin put up a niche directory that stands on its own. You can go read how he monetizes his in this thread:

http://www.dombom.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=28&forum=DCForumID42

Mine is a little different. It is a more generalized type of hub with a directory in the center section. I started this site when I was new to bombing and made about $35 per day after the first month...then I pofited more with each passing month. Now I am up to an average $75 - $100 any given day.

I created the directory (the center section) first and linked QS to a hub site that is getting lots of traffic and is in good standings with the Search Engines. Then I went hunting for more sites to link to.

The links to those sites on either side of the directory came later.

I did these things with the directory as beginning income streams:

1) Put up Adsense blocks

2) Put up links to my products and affiliate products on either side.

3) Charged for link submissions when I started getting good traffic.

After the 2nd month, and as I started to get more traffic to it, I started charging people for links. These are some of the site URLs you see on either side of the directory, where I said I was putting my products and affiliate products up.

I charged $25 for a link placement for 6 months.

After I got a few people who bought into it, I changed my settings in the search results to reflect links to my own sites, blogs, and products, and added some affiliate products into the mix. Not a whole lot mind you. Maybe a tenth of the directory listings.

So not only do I get some income coming in, I also get some traffic to some of my other sites and blogs, plus Iam able to help get traffic to some other people.

This is not the easiest or fastest way to get income coming in with Fatty, but it will set you up to do better all the way around with income, traffic, and SE standing.

Now after the site has been up for 6 -8 months, I am in the process of changing a couple of things again.

No, I don't like to do it this way because it messes with the SE results, so I am hoping you get right to what I am going to say.

Instead of setting up the links on the sides like they are, I am in the process of building specific niche blogs with BogBomb that will have affiliate products built right into each blog to replace my sites that are still linked on the side of the directory.

Yes, I will still be charging for link placements, and be keeping my listings as they are in the directory. BUT...I will also be funneling some traffic to other places.

I am simply making the hub more beneficial in the long run.

Another thing I am thinking about is using my own text ads boxes instead of Adsense on the site that will show my own and affiliate products.

I think BlogBomb can be used for affiliate links in the actual templates to generate related products.

If not, I know the tuelz will help.

Just remember though, I built this directory with long term results in mind.

You may do lots better by creating Niche directories, and then build some blogs with more narrowed down specific nicheslike you would when creating an LSI website.

If you picked up that LSI ebook from here (it's free to bombers):

http://www.no-secrets-no-lies.com/D0wnl0aD.html

You can find what I am refering to in the keywords and building LSI web sites sections.

Just please remember though, it takes some time and traffic to make money on the internet...especially to get something steady going.

Hope this makes a little sense....

Mary

Here is a different example of monetizing.

http://weekendgarden.com/

It is a fatbomb site, but the real focus is for visitors to buy the ebook.

I setup the fatbomb part as a niche gardening site. And a sell of the book pays more than a few clicks on adsense.

kelvin

I don't know if you noticed this or not or can do anything about it, but that first listing in the middle is coming up with this error:

>The target url was invalid. Please contact the publisher to get it fixed.<

Mary

Yes, I noticed, thank you,

I need to update quite a bit.

I have an old clickbank database.

Just showing as a different example.

kelvin

MIke

So I've taken Mary's advice (thanks!) and started with a domain I had knocking around http://www.best-dog-guide.info>, which seems ripe for a directory/search engine for dogs.

Iv'e got fatty configured and set up an index page and embedded a search box, the url rewriter thingy is working to create pages on-the-fly too. I'll add some html links to form the basis of a dog directory on the index page and take it from there.

I will try to update this thread as I go along, so other noobs can hopefully benefit from this too.

Mike

Glad you are getting started with something. Good job kid!

By this, did you mean static pages?

>I'll add some html links to form the basis of a dog directory on the index page and take it from there.<

I think that is kind of what Kelvin is doing too so you are getting the best of both worlds.

Thanks for offering to keep us posted too. It's appreciated.

Mary

Yes, I'm building a list of links on the left hand side of my index page so fatty builds the pages on the site, I've uploaded a quick example so other noobs that might be following this can see what i'm up to.

Mike

Looking good...

>Iv'e got fatty configured and set up an index page and
>embedded a search box, the url rewriter thingy is working to
>create pages on-the-fly too. I'll add some html links to
>form the basis of a dog directory on the index page and take
>it from there.

Once you have Fatty installed and the modrewrite working, you're "home free" and everything else is icing on the cake.

To get more acccurate results when you link, try this...Instead of:
http://www.best-dog-guide.info/alsatian.html

Try:
http://www.best-dog-guide.info/alsatian-dog.html

Note how I added "dog" to the URL. You'll see this improves the accuracy of your results.

>I will try to update this thread as I go along, so other
>noobs can hopefully benefit from this too.

Thanks Mike...We'll be looking forward to it.

I see you are making progress kid. It gets better each day.